How do I say?

How do I say? is where thou puts any askings as to how something ought to be said (I dare say thou could already tell that). Put a new heading for each asking, with the word(s) as the heading 's name, and below write anent the word(s) to give a better clue as to what is needed. Also write any thoughts thyself has on the word.

Tolerance level
As in 'the load was above the tolerance level of the framework'. I would like the word to fit with all meanings, not only the narrow meaning of 'load'. I think the word ought to be built upon 'brook', but the only thought I can come up with is 'brookwidth'. Oswax Scolere
 * the letting breakeven? the lettable breakeven? --Wordsmith 07:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Thesaurus
Any ideas?
 * I have a pre-thesaurus thesaurus(1830), called The Writer's Assistant OR A Compendium of English Synonym's. Maybe something calqueish along those lines? I say, just leave it. It's quite far from the heart of the language, is a nice word, etc. Dictionary is nice as Wordbook because Wordbook is easy and obvious. ~Inkstersco 3 Jan 06
 * Wordnet--Wordsmith 07:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Grocer
[if we need a word for "grocer", that is] I was thinking "wholesaler", or perhaps "wortsaler/wortseller" or "veg[etable]seller/saler" or "greenseller/saler". BryanAJParry 17:20, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Foodstuffshandler,Foodsalesman--Wordsmith 07:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Social Class
Alright, here goes:

Class(n) -- Rank, Birthrank Genteel -- Well-born, well-bred Gentleman -- Welbredsman Establishment, the -- The Steadyhood Upper-class -- Inner-Steadyhood Middle-class -- Outer-steadyhood, Yeoman Lower-class -- Lower rank, shabbyrank Working-class -- Working rank, Workerhood, Handyrank, Shabbyrank Aristocrat -- Rikeborn Bourgeouis (adj) -- Wealthtrothen, Wealthbound Bourgeouis (n) -- Wealthbound, Swell Proletariat(n) -- Working-poor Officitariat(n) -- Clerkhood Government, the -- The Rikehood Navvy -- Handworker Chav -- Hoodrat Gutter -- Roadgroove Valet -- Steward, Radman, Welbredsman's welbredsman Priviledge -- Perk, rankperk, rankluck, birthluck Distinguished -- Aloof, outstanding Snob -- Snoot, high-hat

Well-born is established, and as ambiguous as "gentleman". "Rank" is of Germanic origin, and an 18th\19th century term for "class"

Inkstersco 09:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Past Participle
Can anybody think of an Anglish swap for the term 'Past Participle'? I have done a writ but these are the only words I have not been able to Anglish? Any help would be welcome. 83.100.152.229 15:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a challenge.
 * How about,
 * Past Wordway
 * Past Meanway
 * Past Bymean
 * Past Meanling
 * Past Wordeldth
 * Past Deedeldth
 * I'm not happy with any of them.
 * ~Inkstersco
 * ~Inkstersco

Yeah its a tricky one. I have tried to draw on German and Dutch words but without success so far. German = Partizip Perfekt and Dutch = Verleden Deelwoord which I think roughly translates as 'Past Partword or bitword' or something like that. Its hard to find an elegant match :( 83.100.193.241 14:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Define "past participle". A lot of folks confuse it with the past perfect. The past participle is, literally, a verbal adjective. So, "past workwordish honeword", perhaps? Bryan 82.44.212.6 21:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * So "he is upset", is past participle, whereas "don't upset him" is past perfect? What do Workdworkish and Honeword mean? I think -ish should not be used as a topical usffix. -ly, or nothing at all, work better. ~Inkstersco


 * I think Bryan is on the right path. If we look at what it does instead of where the name comes from, we will maybe get nearer to making a good name for it.


 * From Wikipedia: In linguistics, a participle is a kind of verbal adjective; it indicates that the noun it modifies is a participant in the action that the participle refers to.


 * So we could start with the fact that it is an adjective or 'honeword' (assuming we wish to use that word for adjective). From there we need to show that it is linking the noun to a deed. So that might suggest something like 'deedhoneword' or 'linkhoneword' or even 'sharehoneword' (since it 'shares' the deed with a noun). I don't think any of these are particularly great, partly because they are maniparted compounds which remind me of German when it goes to excess. I suppose that if we decided that this was alright for Anglish, then one of these words would be acceptable. My choosing would be 'deedhoneword' for it most nearly translates 'verbal adjective', though it could imaginably be confused for 'adverb' (though I would use 'likeword' for that).


 * On a slightly connected matter, 'deedhoneword' for participle would suggest 'deednameword' for gerund, which is useful (like the above, it would translate as 'verbal noun').


 * As for 'past', I would normally bring it over as 'foregone'. That would translate the whole thing 'past participle' as 'foregone deedhoneword'. Not pretty to my eyes, but liken to the Dutch 'Verleden Deelwoord', and you get the sense that it may be acceptable. I think there may be a better word out there, but these are my thoughts, it's up to you, you're the translator. Oswax Scolere 08:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm a little lost. Why is Adjective Honeword? Doesn't Hone mean to gravitate toward something? Alright -- so let's take that as read. So participle is Deed-adjective, as in Action-adjective? I see. We're talking about adjectives such as "he's wasted", etc?


 * I've got it! Let's calque the phrase "Verbal adjective".


 * Deedword-honeword for Participle ?
 * What about "Done honeword" for Past Participle?
 * Or Bygone Deedword-Honeword -- Long but elegant.
 * ~Inkstersco


 * Firstly, 'hone' means 'sharpen' not 'gravitate towards', and 'honeword' was my word for 'adjective'. The thought being that an adjective 'honed' the meaning of a nameword. As such 'a shirt' is honed to a narrower meaning by the adjective 'red', giving ' a red shirt'. I don't know if it was ever wholly agreed upon, but I do remember there was a problem with some of the other suggestions.


 * I thought my suggestion was a calque of 'verbal adjective'!? I don't normally go in for calques, but at least here the meaning is clear, unlike if we were to try and calque 'adjective' directly (it would come out as something like 'throwntoword') or even 'participle' (which come out as 'sharer', hard to understand as to meaning, and, ironically, would be a calque of a calque!). Oswax Scolere 10:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your input guys. You've given me a lot to work with here :) If we can come to an agreement on an Anglish 'past participle' maybe it would be a good word to put in the Speechlore section of the Technical Words bit. Hereward 213.249.239.2 10:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, as for 'Past', I wasn't sure whether to Anglish it or not. I did consider using 'Foregone' as you suggested Oswax and also 'bygone' as they both indicate time which has gone by. It was the 'Participle' which was the tricky one, like you said, to calque it would mean calling it a 'sharer' or even a 'partaker' which even then is only a hybrid word. They don't really give a clear meaning do they? But thanks for all your thoughts, you have been most helpful. Hereward 213.249.239.2 10:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

If I am correct the Dutch "deelwoord" would be equivalent to "dealword" in English. This would give us the following possible suggesstions for Past Participle: Foregone Dealword, Bygone Dealword or Eretide Dealword. (I like the terms eretide and forthtide for past and future) Any thoughts on these?


 * Remember, Hereafter(noun) is already an attested word for Future, except it means the future of now. Thereafter also means Future. ~Inkstersco

Novel
Since I came to this site through procrastinating, (er, timewasting?) on NaNoWriMo, I was wondering how you might say 'novel', as in the book. Literally it means 'new', but I don't think 'newbook' really cuts it. 'Talebook' might be better but a book of stories would also fit that. 'Booktale'? --Hook-nose 21:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Meter
Does anybody else think that the word 'meter' is ok Anglish if anything because of its similarity to the verb 'mete'?. It seems quite logical that something that metes would be a meter. The two words seem to come from the same Indo-European root if not the same Old English root, and has the same trivial differences as 'nose' and 'nasal'.83.100.150.20 15:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I do. I already use it in this way. 'Thermometer' becomes 'heatmeter', 'speedometer' becomes 'speedmeter', and so on. It just so happens that the same word in Anglish and English look the same, despite having different origins. Oswax Scolere 11:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)