Talk:Craftspeak

Welcome
Okay, let's have that brainstorming session on what we think technical words should be. For instance, what is the difference between "phonology" and "phonetics", "phones", "phonemes", and "allophones", and how do we show this in Anglish/pure English? BryanAJParry 20:13, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * We should have separate sections for each lore, though we are only talking anent linguistics now. Oswax Scolere 20:23, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe. But where would we keep those pages? They would have to be at the talkpage of each discipline.. which totally defeats the point of this brainstorm, as in order to have an article, we would have already chosen a name. BryanAJParry 21:07, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I think you misunderstood me. I meant different sections on this leaf, not separate leaves. Oswax Scolere 22:05, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree to that. :) 82.44.212.6 13:06, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Linguistics
How about the following? morpheme = WORDBIT, allomorph = ILKWORDBIT, linguistics = SPEECHLORE, morphology = WORDBITLORE, syntax = WORDORDERLORE, semantics = MEANINGLORE, pragmatics = DEEPMEANINGLORE, phonetics = SOUNDCRAFT, phonology = SOUNDLORE, phone = (REAL)SOUND, phoneme = MINDSOUND, allophone = ILKSOUND. BryanAJParry 20:13, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Are we agreed that 'linguistics' = 'speechlore'? If so, we can make a new section for that and add words there. I'm going for a short while to learn a little bit about the words and their meanings, but will be back.Oswax Scolere 20:23, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think that 'syntax' always needs a 'lore' after it. For example, could you not say 'The syntax of Armenian is unique'? Thus syntax is a property of speech, and the studying of that property. Also, I think that whatever word we have could be built about the root 'set', as in the way the words are set in order. Oswax Scolere 20:46, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Likewise "phonology". Phonology is the study of the sounds in language, and it is also the make up of a particular person's/language's phonology. I never meant to imply that all meanings of "syntax" would be covered by that one word. :) BryanAJParry 21:07, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. Maybe we ought to have two words? One for the process/property itself, and another for it's lore/craft. If we think of a name for the former then the latter will follow. Oswax Scolere 22:02, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

For anything that I think is unclear about my above suggestion, I now clearen: pragmatics is about the intended and implied meaning(s), whereas semantics is about basic linguist meaning; allo- basically refers to the the different variants of a single thing; mindsound because phonemes aren't the actual sounds, but our perception of them (e.g. we don't percieve, as English speakers, nasalised and non-nasalised vowels to be contrastively different; that is, they are both the same sound, but diff. versions of it); -craft I seem to be using often as an alternative to -lore when -lore is taken (-lore beign the default). BryanAJParry 20:13, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I have nothing against using '-craft'for those sciences which require more skill like taking speech transcriptions. Do you agree with that? Oswax Scolere 20:23, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I meant to imply that, but don't think I did. I tend to translate "astronomy" as "starlore", and "astrology" as "starcraft" for this very reason. I feel that astrology has more craft in it, altho one coudl argue the converse point. Heh. Astronomy just seems more lore/fact based, if you get me. :) BryanAJParry 21:08, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * That's alright then, and I only did think of in relation to astronomy/astrology in truth. The same or like could be used elsewhere, with 'stonelore' for 'geology' and 'stonecraft' for 'masonry', or 'wortlore' for 'botany' and 'wortcraft' for 'horticulture'. No? Oswax Scolere 22:02, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I think, perhaps, that that is a very good solution. What do you reckon, Ian? 82.44.212.6 13:07, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

What about ETYMOLOGY? My suggestions are "wordbirthlore" and "wordlifelore". 82.44.212.6 13:29, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

For the Record: Old English Technical Terms
Feel free to add your own. 82.44.212.6 13:11, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Astronomy: tungolcræft (star-craft) Grammar: stæfcræft, grammaticræft (stave-craft, grammar-craft) Astrologer: tungolwitega (star-prophet) 82.44.212.6 13:11, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)