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The Anglish Lexicon. What divides us and is there a way to bridge the rift?Edit

Hi, ShalinP

I've been conducting a poll among all Anglishers on every platform I know of. Would you have a preference or comment upon the following? You can also read the text here.

(This post and poll was held on the Facebook Anglish group 14th November 2018 to gauge members' opinions and will remain open until the major online communities have voted. It has since been published across different Anglish fora; Reddit , The Anglish Moot, and Discord).

Perhaps one of the biggest stumbling blocks to unity among the Anglish community are the differences of opinion over what defines our lexicon (aside from questions over spelling). I have below set out a series of voting options which I hope describe each member's stance on how Anglish ought to be. I start the poll from the extreme purist 01) and end with the most inclusive 10). There are many possible combinations, so if I have missed out your own variety, let us know by commenting (but I should have met everyone's broad opinion unless you are very 'niche').

UPDATE, In fact there were several which arose on Facebook, but they were indeed niche visions (see other votes at the bottom of the voting results).



Notes to keep in mind before voting:

In order to reach a consensus and for ease, I have broken down the entirety of the English language into ten broad and simplified categories. I have NOT included Germanic derived OE among these ten, for clearly these words form the basis of our tongue from an Anglish perspective. These ten categories are as follows: A) Early Latinate words such as 'wine', among others. These may well be pre-migration Continental borrowings. B) Church Latinate borrowed in insular OE period, e.g. 'bishop' (but this is very simplistic and being able to differentiate between Latinate words borrowed pre-migration to those borrowed after settlement of Britain may well be very difficult). C) Celtic borrowed during OE period, e.g. 'dun'. D) Celtic borrowings of later periods, e.g. 'bother'. E) Norse brought by the Viking, e.g. 'sky'. F) Germanic Frankish brought by the Normans, e.g. 'wait'. G) Latinate French brought by the Normans, e.g. 'nice'. The Norman language was a mix of Latinate origin Old French and Germanic Frankish. This highly Latinate language once established in England (esp. London) is known as Anglo-Norman. H) Latinate inkhorn words (which include a fair amount of shared classical vocabulary with other Germanic languages) borrowed post-Norman centuries. I) A mix of Low Countries Germanic, mainly shared by seafaring folk from along the North Sea. J) Unknown words - these may fall into a spectrum between being likely Latinate or Germanic or Celtic, so practically, we can only choose on a word by word basis perhaps, but nothing is assured in this 'class' of words.

All other groups of words are insignificant in number and not always naturalized; from German to Hindi and Chinese (not including shared Germanic lexicon, e.g. 'tea'.).

Other notes on the poll:

• 'Unknown words of an ambiguous origin' has been mentioned in the voting options (see J above).

• 1) - 4) Does not retain later Germanic borrowings from Norse, Frankish or Low Countries.

• Option 7) provides for an inclusive approach. Words which are commonly shared such as 'metal' would be retained but a preferable Anglish alternative would always be provided. E.g. 'biology' + 'lifelore'. This methods should drop the percentage of Latinate words in English from its current 70% to 10-15% - perhaps on a par with Dutch.




The Poll (Will remain open on both platforms (UPDATE Votes as of the 22:00 UK time, 25th November 2018):

  • 01) Wholly OE-derived and stripped of insular Celtic (C) and early Latinate words (A-B) (e.g. wine) and any unknown words (J) of an ambiguous origin. Does not include Norse (E) or Frankish (F).

Votes: 0

  • 02) OE-derived and stripped of insular Celtic (C) and any unknown words of an ambiguous origin (J) but retaining early Latinate words (A) (e.g. wine). Does not include Norse (E) or Frankish (F).

Votes: 0

  • 03) OE-derived and retaining insular Celtic and early Latinate words (A-B) (e.g. wine) but removing any unknown words (J) of an ambiguous origin. Does not include Norse (E), Frankish (F) or Low Countries Germanic (I).

Votes: 0

  • 04) OE-derived and retaining insular Celtic (C), early Latinate words (A-B) (e.g. wine) and any unknown words (J) of an ambiguous origin. Does not include Norse (E) or Frankish (F) or Low Countries Germanic (I).

Votes: 6 of 52 (5 Facebook, 1 Reddit) (11.53%).

  • 05) Including all OE words (A-B, C), and retaining later Norse (E). Not including Frankish (F) and Low Countries Germanic (I).

Votes: 2 of 52 (2 Discord) (3.84%)

  • 06) Including all OE words (A-B, C) and retaining later Norse (E), Frankish (F) and Low Countries Germanic (I).

Votes: 8 of 52 (5 Facebook, 3 Discord) (15.38%).

  • 07) Includes all OE words (A-B, C), Norse (E), Frankish (F), Low Countries Germanic (I) and later Latinate words IFshared with other Germanic tongues (H) e.g. 'metal'.

Votes: 29 of 52 (21 Facebook, 1 Facebook Messenger, 5 Reddit, 1 Discord, 1 Anglish Moot) (55.76%).

  • 08) Inclusive of all Germanic words (A-B, C, E, F, I) + Old French/Anglo-Norman (G) but removing later Latinate inkhorn words (H).

Votes: 1 of 52 (1 Facebook) (1.92%).

  • 09) Retentive of all words currently in the English language (A-J), but with a preference for its Germanic heritage and revived words.

Votes: 3 of 52 (3 Facebook) (5.76%).

  • 10) Retentive of all words currently in the English language (A-J), but with a preference for its Germanic heritage with no revivals.

Votes: 0

  • AND 3 votes (Facebook) (5.76%) for different varieties which are not covered above.

Cavallero (talk) 22:51, November 25, 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Caballero. Sorry for taking so long. I just got back from school after writing my last exam paper. I vote 07. Latinate words borrowed in PgmC can stay.ShalinP (talk) 07:17, November 26, 2018 (UTC)

Hi ShalinP

The One Rikes Of America

Your above contribution is not, in my opinion, an attested  word.   I am  however  O.K  with the word itself,  as all words in the phrase are derived from Old English.

There is  generally confusion among contributors over what is an attested word and what is an unattested word.   A word needs to be recorded in an accredited dictionary,  such as one the Oxford,  Webster, Funkk and Wagnall, Wiktionary**   etc.  to be attested.   For example, the words " dove" (advocate of peace or peaceful policies));  "hawk" (advocate of aggressive warlike policy,  and warmonger are attested words.   However the word 'frith-weaver'  (despite being a combination of  words derived from Old English) is not an attested word,  as it not found in any  accredited dictionary.  As you are looking at many matters regarding the future direction of the Moot,  this confusion  needs to be clarifed. 

    •   While the Wiktionary is a great source of many useful words, there is a concern that its etymologies are at times outdated and inaccurate.

Sholto (talk) 09:52, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Sholto. I have brooked "The Oned Rikes of America" as attested instead of unattested as the word itself has been brooked in other leafs of the Wiki. Sorry if I did something wrong but I believe it is attested, if it can be written in other bits of the Wiki other than the wordbook.ShalinP (talk) 12:00, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

Discord Edit

Are you on "Discord"? Let's speak there. I am MýnÆnglishTáwk#1514 . MýnÆnglishTáwk (talk) 19:08, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, sure! This Discord is a great ord to be. Not now, though, since my exams start in a week and go on for three more weeks! I'm sure that thereafter it shall be likely. I'll find my Discord name once all this is done. Also, it is easier for my to write, then to speak. I'd rather not upset the rest of the house with any cling-clang. They'll probably not like talking, but if I type they most likely won't mind. They'd not even know about it! If we can talk though, I'll let  thee know.  Until then, let's keep on working on againbuilding English, to be the tongue it was meant to be! I'll still be thinking of Speechcraft with all four hades and falls ("cases")! I wonder if thou canst speak Theetch and art into Theetch's cleanliness as well! ShalinP (talk) 19:46, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Yep, I am into its cleanliness! I am looking forward to speaking (or writing) with you there! MýnÆnglishTáwk (talk) 19:29, May 18, 2019 (UTC)

Is it all good, if we thouten each other? ShalinP (talk) 06:43, May 19, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that is good. Although, "you" is also a Germanish word itself, so it is good to keep it in Anglish. MýnÆnglishTáwk (talk) 14:57, May 19, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, all three (you, thou, ye) are Germanish, only that "you" is when man doesn't know who he is talking to and would like to be well-mannered. Since we know each other, and want to be friendly, we'll thouten each other.  Since thouten is a Middle English word, without a child word, what would its child word be in Chancery English? Only keep "thouten?" ShalinP (talk) 15:14, May 19, 2019 (UTC)

We can keep "thouten", as it is a good word. But its child word is "thou" (which is a doing-word here; a byspel of it would be "I thoued him" or "let's thou each other"). MýnÆnglishTáwk (talk) 17:04, May 19, 2019 (UTC)

So, how did they all go? All good? MýnÆnglishTáwk (talk) 21:06, June 29, 2019 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. From 10 marks, 4 80s and 3 90s! Now that I'm all done (I've been so busy this past week), we shall find a way to chat on Discord! Let me do this tomorrow (today is another busy day!) ShalinP (talk) 11:37, June 30, 2019 (UTC)

That is good to hear! MýnÆnglishTáwk (talk) 17:47, July 1, 2019 (UTC)

With chatting on "Discord", I'm ready when you are! My tag is MýnÆnglishTáwk#1514 . MýnÆnglishTáwk (talk) 16:42, July 6, 2019 (UTC)

Right, I sent a friend request. I have been so busy and still am; I'm not so sure when I'll truly get the time to chat, but I've done what I need to so far!

Hello!Edit

Are you still around? It would be good to talk again some time. MýnÆnglishTáwk (talk) 21:05, March 31, 2020 (UTC)

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