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On the word "beauty" and "beautiful" Edit

Hello,

So I have somewhat of a mishap on the words "beauty" and "beautiful". There is indeed a word in English today that comes from true English-roots. That word is "sheen", but here's is what i feel isn't right. The word "sheen" feels way to sharp in the mouth and the ears. So I brought forth the slightly older word "schon'"This is, word for word, from the near end of Mid. English. 70 years before ME ended. It feels a lot better in the mouth and to the ears though. So beauty would be "shonehood/ness", and beautiful would mean "shone". 'If it can't work out I understand, i mean, we do have "sheen," but feels to sharp to the ears anent the "ee". I have also thought about keeping "Sheen" to stick with the English of today, and sticking with English's roots and alikeness to Low German. In Low German, the NHG "schön" becomes "schöön" (shoon -> shehn). 

 So schon! -> So beautiful!

 So sheen! -> So beautiful!    

          Wordforword (talk) 16:07, June 25, 2017 (UTC)

On the word "move"Edit

Under the word "move", I think it is right to only put "beweigh". The NHG and Du. are bewegen which comes from the word "weigen" which means "to weigh". Bewegen came from be- + weigen the 'i' in weigen was dropped over time. Beway means "because, by way", and bewegen does not come from be- + weg.

I do think the "beway" should be nimmed out 

I bid you to see Wiktionary for "bewegen" and "beweigh" 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bewegen#German

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/beweigh

By the way, wiktionary has a slew of echt English words on there. Only need to seek out the words you want to find. 

Wordforword (talk) 02:15, June 14, 2017 (UTC)Wordforword 23:58 June 13, 2017 UTC

        I swapped out beway for beweigh Wordforword (talk) 02:01, June 24, 2017 (UTC)

"or-" and "ur-"Edit

Hello, Brother-in-mind.

I'm not seeking to build up anger between us, as you're doing a weighty and aughtworthy deal in afinding new words for the moot. So i've come to you with an bid, wich can befrith both off us.

We onfoldly put both "or-" and "ur-" to the words, like:

Ur-/Orhome (cf. NHG Urheimat) (see ur- / or- )

Ur-/Orwald (cf. NHG Urwald) (see ur- / or-)

Ur-/Orindwellers (cf. NHG Ureinwohner) (see ur- / or-)

Thus the ledes can choose if they want to write the words with the more brooked High Theedish, or the inborn english forefastening.

Aughtfull, Alfredikus

Alfredikus (talk) 20:30, June 24, 2017 (UTC)

I was wondering if thou thinkest we should speaken Anglish in skewedtalk. Like maybe how they speaken in Ireland or maybe Scotland.  Since frankly I do not think an American skew in Anglish is meet. Sensz416 (talk) 04:34, June 30, 2017 (UTC)Sensz416


The Anglish Lexicon. What divides us and is there a way to bridge the rift?Edit

Hi, Wordforword

I've been conducting a poll among all Anglishers on every platform I know of. Would you have a preference or comment upon the following? You can also read the text here.

(This post and poll was held on the Facebook Anglish group 14th November 2018 to gauge members' opinions and will remain open until the major online communities have voted. It has since been published across different Anglish fora; Reddit , The Anglish Moot, and Discord).

Perhaps one of the biggest stumbling blocks to unity among the Anglish community are the differences of opinion over what defines our lexicon (aside from questions over spelling). I have below set out a series of voting options which I hope describe each member's stance on how Anglish ought to be. I start the poll from the extreme purist 01) and end with the most inclusive 10). There are many possible combinations, so if I have missed out your own variety, let us know by commenting (but I should have met everyone's broad opinion unless you are very 'niche').

UPDATE, In fact there were several which arose on Facebook, but they were indeed niche visions (see other votes at the bottom of the voting results).



Notes to keep in mind before voting:

In order to reach a consensus and for ease, I have broken down the entirety of the English language into ten broad and simplified categories. I have NOT included Germanic derived OE among these ten, for clearly these words form the basis of our tongue from an Anglish perspective. These ten categories are as follows: A) Early Latinate words such as 'wine', among others. These may well be pre-migration Continental borrowings. B) Church Latinate borrowed in insular OE period, e.g. 'bishop' (but this is very simplistic and being able to differentiate between Latinate words borrowed pre-migration to those borrowed after settlement of Britain may well be very difficult). C) Celtic borrowed during OE period, e.g. 'dun'. D) Celtic borrowings of later periods, e.g. 'bother'. E) Norse brought by the Viking, e.g. 'sky'. F) Germanic Frankish brought by the Normans, e.g. 'wait'. G) Latinate French brought by the Normans, e.g. 'nice'. The Norman language was a mix of Latinate origin Old French and Germanic Frankish. This highly Latinate language once established in England (esp. London) is known as Anglo-Norman. H) Latinate inkhorn words (which include a fair amount of shared classical vocabulary with other Germanic languages) borrowed post-Norman centuries. I) A mix of Low Countries Germanic, mainly shared by seafaring folk from along the North Sea. J) Unknown words - these may fall into a spectrum between being likely Latinate or Germanic or Celtic, so practically, we can only choose on a word by word basis perhaps, but nothing is assured in this 'class' of words.

All other groups of words are insignificant in number and not always naturalized; from German to Hindi and Chinese (not including shared Germanic lexicon, e.g. 'tea'.).

Other notes on the poll:

• 'Unknown words of an ambiguous origin' has been mentioned in the voting options (see J above).

• 1) - 4) Does not retain later Germanic borrowings from Norse, Frankish or Low Countries.

• Option 7) provides for an inclusive approach. Words which are commonly shared such as 'metal' would be retained but a preferable Anglish alternative would always be provided. E.g. 'biology' + 'lifelore'. This methods should drop the percentage of Latinate words in English from its current 70% to 10-15% - perhaps on a par with Dutch.




The Poll (Will remain open on both platforms (UPDATE Votes as of the 22:00 UK time, 25th November 2018):

  • 01) Wholly OE-derived and stripped of insular Celtic (C) and early Latinate words (A-B) (e.g. wine) and any unknown words (J) of an ambiguous origin. Does not include Norse (E) or Frankish (F).

Votes: 0

  • 02) OE-derived and stripped of insular Celtic (C) and any unknown words of an ambiguous origin (J) but retaining early Latinate words (A) (e.g. wine). Does not include Norse (E) or Frankish (F).

Votes: 0

  • 03) OE-derived and retaining insular Celtic and early Latinate words (A-B) (e.g. wine) but removing any unknown words (J) of an ambiguous origin. Does not include Norse (E), Frankish (F) or Low Countries Germanic (I).

Votes: 0

  • 04) OE-derived and retaining insular Celtic (C), early Latinate words (A-B) (e.g. wine) and any unknown words (J) of an ambiguous origin. Does not include Norse (E) or Frankish (F) or Low Countries Germanic (I).

Votes: 6 of 52 (5 Facebook, 1 Reddit) (11.53%).

  • 05) Including all OE words (A-B, C), and retaining later Norse (E). Not including Frankish (F) and Low Countries Germanic (I).

Votes: 2 of 52 (2 Discord) (3.84%)

  • 06) Including all OE words (A-B, C) and retaining later Norse (E), Frankish (F) and Low Countries Germanic (I).

Votes: 8 of 52 (5 Facebook, 3 Discord) (15.38%).

  • 07) Includes all OE words (A-B, C), Norse (E), Frankish (F), Low Countries Germanic (I) and later Latinate words IFshared with other Germanic tongues (H) e.g. 'metal'.

Votes: 29 of 52 (21 Facebook, 1 Facebook Messenger, 5 Reddit, 1 Discord, 1 Anglish Moot) (55.76%).

  • 08) Inclusive of all Germanic words (A-B, C, E, F, I) + Old French/Anglo-Norman (G) but removing later Latinate inkhorn words (H).

Votes: 1 of 52 (1 Facebook) (1.92%).

  • 09) Retentive of all words currently in the English language (A-J), but with a preference for its Germanic heritage and revived words.

Votes: 3 of 52 (3 Facebook) (5.76%).

  • 10) Retentive of all words currently in the English language (A-J), but with a preference for its Germanic heritage with no revivals.

Votes: 0

  • AND 3 votes (Facebook) (5.76%) for different varieties which are not covered above.

Cavallero (talk) 22:53, November 25, 2018 (UTC)

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